Hi
I hope you guys can help.
I have two parts that should be bolted together. The tolerances of one of the parts are quite big and the holes for this part are fixed to Ø6. I need to determine the size of the holes of the other part in order to for them to fit together. I have attached a photo showing the tolerances.
I am in doubt how to calculate the size of the hole, is this the correct way?
D=211.5-210+3.5+3.5+6 = 1.5+2*3.5+6=Ø14.5
Thank you in advance
Last edited by Kelly_Bramble; 07-11-2016 at 11:37 AM.
The general equation is:
Holemmc - Shaftmmc = Tolhole + Tolshaft + C
Where:
Holemmc = Hole at MMC size
Shaftmmc = Shaft at MMC size
Tolhole = Location tolerance of hole
Tolshaft = Location tolerance of shaft
C = Mating Clearance at MMC (if required)
See: Mechanical Tolerance design and Calculators
and specifically:
Fixed Fastener Condition Tolerance Calculator
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Thank you for your reply!
Okay, the shaft is M6 bolt, so I guess the tolerances are relative low for that, and the unknown hole size is drilled, so I'm going with +/- 0.1 mm. The Ø6 hole is a bushing with a thread, but I don't need to take account of that, right?
However, I am unsure about the clearance. The distances between the holes for the two parts differ, so should the clearance be the tolerance of the distance plus the difference in lengths? For instance for the left side
C = Toldist + Deltadist = 3.5 + (211.5-210) = 3.5 + 1.5 = 5
So the equation becomes:
Holemmc = Tolhole + Tolshaft + C + Shaftmmc
Holemmc = 0.1 + 0.1+ 5 + 6 = Ø9.7
Is that correct?
The equation is useful if using GD&T with datum structures or a fixed origin reference for all features considered. The physical distance between the holes is meaningless in the calculations and is only a consideration when determining manufacture-able tolerances.
"C" or clearance is considered when all features are at MMC and the location of the features are at maximum allowed. This would ensure a clearance is present when an extreme condition of the as-manufactured tolerance assembly. Typically C is zero for a line-to-line fit.
What GD&T standard are you using?
Last edited by Kelly_Bramble; 07-11-2016 at 10:29 AM.
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Hmm okay, this may be posted in the wrong subforum then. I am just trying to figure out how big the hole should in order for the parts to fit together with four bolts.
If I were using any GD&T standard, I guess it would be one of the ISO standards.
You're in the right sub forum... Based on your questions and responses you need mechanical tolerancing design and analysis training..Originally Posted by tdog
Respectfully...
Last edited by Kelly_Bramble; 07-11-2016 at 11:37 AM.
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No offense taken. I'm a student, so yes, I do need mechanical tolerancing design and analysis training seeing as I have had none so far.
Can you help me out with my question though?
I already did - the answer is there...
This is a engineering discussion forum and my contributions will be limited to short and to the point answers. I simply don't have the time nor desire to fully train, design, calculate, engineer, engage in meetings, pick materials or stop what I'm doing for days to solve every bodies design challenge in this format. I have make a living...
I've been delivering GD&T training as well as Design for Manufacturability training in industry for 16 of my 34 year career. Much of that training also includes mechanical design practices and method.
It is interesting that your education has yet to cover these skill sets yet you are attempting to use them.. But then again - this is why I have customers..
Last edited by Kelly_Bramble; 07-12-2016 at 09:22 AM.
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One more hint....
Design to function and let manufacturing comply with the end item functional requirements.. See:
Standard Tolerance Limits Fits ANSI B4.1
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Having read the material you supplied I am still unsure as how to take the misalignment between the two parts into account.
If you want help employing GD&T on your drawings then we need a more complete drawing to start with. You need the distance from the datums to the holes to be called out with basic dimensions. Also please confirm if the bottom holes are tapped (fixed fastener condition) or if the two plates are attached with bolts & nuts (floating fastener condition). Once this information is provided it is relatively easy to calculate the size tolerances and positional tolerances for all the holes. Of course, you will have to have a datum scheme for both parts to do this. Also please provide the exact type of fastener to be used (needed to determine the LMC size of the clearance hole).
floating fastener: H = F + T
H = clearance hole MMC diameter
F = Fastener MMC diameter (nominal size)
T = clearance hole location tolerance at MMC (used on each hole the fastener passes through)
fixed fastener: H = F + t1 + t2
t1 = threaded hole location tolerance at MMC
t2 = clearance hole location tolerance at MMC
Note that if it is a fixed fastener condition then the tapped holes will need to use a projected tolerance zone.
Last edited by Andrew T; 07-13-2016 at 10:07 AM.
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