Profile tolerance Question

[marksmith]

I have the following callout that I have not seen before [profile of surface|A-B|C] where A is a datum surface , B and C are holes going thru Perpendicular to A. I have not seen the A-B Datum reference like this for a surface and a diameter. Can someone please explain this to me? Thanks

[Kelly_Bramble]

Datum - Datum reference (A-B) simply means that one is creating a single datum reference from multiple separate features. If datum A and B where two separate plane surfaces - then the datum element would be a single datum plane derived from the true geometric counter part of both datum surfaces simultaneously.

I'm not sure what the intent is for datum A = plane and datum B = cylinder in this application and would need to think about what the end datum reference plane(s) and axis might look like after simulation.

My initial thought is that this is a drawing error. Can you post an image of the engineering drawing where this specification is show?

[marksmith]

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Datum - Datum reference (A-B) simply means that one is creating a single datum reference from multiple separate features. If datum A and B where two separate plane surfaces - then the datum element would be a single datum plane derived from the true geometric counter part of both datum surfaces simultaneously.

I'm not sure what the intent is for datum A = plane and datum B = cylinder in this application and would need to think about what the end datum reference plane(s) and axis might look like after simulation.

My initial thought is that this is a drawing error. Can you post an image of the engineering drawing where this specification is show?

[Kelly_Bramble]

So, this drawing is a hybrid between ISO and ASME 1994 standard or previous. "Gratseite" does in fact mean "Burr Side". Tolerances are probably ~ ISO 286 or a derivative of that standard.

There might be a standard (default) tolerance reference to ISO-2768 stated on the engineering drawing as the datum B & C hole features Coaxiality is not stated on this view.

The Profile of Surface (Profile any Surface - ISO) tolerance is unilateral outside (All of the Profile of Surface tolerance boundaries are from the nominal surface to the outside of the as-drawn surface).

I'm not convinced that the datum order of precedence is specified “most correct” based on probable application for these Profile tolerances and associated surfaces.
Never-the-less, I think the intent is that datum “A” sets up a plane, datum “B” is an axis located about the internal cylinder feature and includes the remaining two datum planes which I would suggest can rotate about the datum “B” cylinder feature. Datum “C” hole feature locks down the rotation of the two planes intersecting the axis about the datum B hole feature.

So, your origin for measurement is located at the center of the datum B hole – top (where datum A intersects).

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[Kelly_Bramble]

Also, you might check out "Quick Guide to the Differences Between ASME Y14.5-2009 and ISO 1101 Geometric Dimensioning and Tolerancing" white paper I wrote.

[Belanger]

I think you're being too kind, Kelly

There seems to be no way to reconcile A and B into one theoretical datum, since they are fighting for different directions of space. Datum letters can only be hyphenated (in ASME and ISO too, if I recall) if they are establishing a common direction.